I was successful in getting the CEL to turn off by itself. Gassed up with the tank at ~32% ethanol, and within a few drive cycles, it was off. I had a long run up to O'Hare (about 50 miles each way for me) and that did the trick.
This is yet another confirmation that 30% is a safe limit for the amount of ethanol this car can run without fear of a CEL.
Showing posts with label CEL. Show all posts
Showing posts with label CEL. Show all posts
Saturday, July 26, 2008
Monday, June 16, 2008
Commenter Alcohol explains the Check Engine Light
the CEL is often triggered by the trim being out of boundaries rather than actual lean condition.
With all vehicles however- the concern is not likely to be in closed loop operation- the concern likely would be in open loop such as WOT that you might go too lean unless the ECU has a learn ability for open loop. Larger injectors are often used in performance applications to insure full power and stoichiometric conditions at WOT.
Interesting. You know Al, I used to be an actual, honest to god automotive engineer, and I don't know this stuff. How do you know all this?
The Scangauge will tell you if you are in open or closed loop, in addition to trim and O2 sensor data.
I have to think that the way that I drive, I am very seldom in open loop.
Thursday, June 12, 2008
What does the check engine light really mean?
What does it mean when the check engine light comes on?
I found this paper, where E85 was run in a Toyota Prius hybrid. This is interesting:
So the check engine light does not necessarily mean that you are ACTUALLY running lean, just that the computer can't figure out where all that extra oxygen is coming from.
If one had a Scangauge II and one could ensure that a real lean condition is not occuring, one could run ethanol levels that cause the CEL to occur.
One really needs a Scangauge II...
I found this paper, where E85 was run in a Toyota Prius hybrid. This is interesting:
While using E-85, the check engine light came on. Upon inspection this
produced a code indicating a lean condition was detected. During this testing, it
was noted that the check engine light for the lean code would come on between
140-160 miles after clearing the code. The oxygen sensor output and the shortterm
fuel trim all indicated that the Air/Fuel ratio is stoichiometric, and that the
fuel control module was maintaining the correct amount of fuel required. What is
setting off the check engine light is that the system monitors the change in the
base fuel map, which is indicated by the long-term fuel trim. If this change is
outside of the set boundaries for an extended period of time, then a code is set to
indicate that the fuel system is making greater adjustments to the fuel quantity to
maintain the correct air/fuel mixture than is necessary under normal
circumstances. The use of ethanol caused the fuel system to adapt the long-term
fuel trim by an increase of 32.81%. ! This supports the lower average fuel
economy of ethanol in the results. See figure 4. An added advantage of using E-
85 showed gains in power output, as shown on table 1. Although ethanol has a
lower energy density than gasoline, due to its lower air/fuel ratio, and effectively
cooling the intake charge, it allows more fuel to be introduced to the combustion
chamber thereby providing the power gains seen
So the check engine light does not necessarily mean that you are ACTUALLY running lean, just that the computer can't figure out where all that extra oxygen is coming from.
If one had a Scangauge II and one could ensure that a real lean condition is not occuring, one could run ethanol levels that cause the CEL to occur.
One really needs a Scangauge II...
Friday, April 4, 2008
And the CEL is...
...O2 Sensor too lean.
Went to Autozone, they used the scantool to read and clear the code.
Nice little service that they offer there.
Went to Autozone, they used the scantool to read and clear the code.
Nice little service that they offer there.
Thursday, April 3, 2008
Another CEL
Well, I thought that 36% was still too much ethanol. I was right. On the way to work this morning, I got another CEL. I got off and added another 3.592 gallons of Amoco Ultimate to the tank.
So... tank #4 statistics:
Gallons from tank 3: 12.8
Ethanol content of tank 3: 36.435%
Gallons of 93 Octane Amoco Ultimate: 3.592
Ethanol content of tank 4: 30.6273%
Octane of tank 4: 94.31
I'll clear the code after work tonight and see what happens.
So... tank #4 statistics:
Gallons from tank 3: 12.8
Ethanol content of tank 3: 36.435%
Gallons of 93 Octane Amoco Ultimate: 3.592
Ethanol content of tank 4: 30.6273%
Octane of tank 4: 94.31
I'll clear the code after work tonight and see what happens.
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